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Monday, 13 April 2020

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Ancient History

Well, it may as well be. First a little by way of explanation. I edit a local CAMRA magazine called Opening Times. No, that's not quite right. Let's try again.

I edit an award-winning local CAMRA magazine called Opening Times.  It was launched in June 1984 and has continued with only a couple of minor breaks (including the current one!) even since.  However this isn't its first incarnation. A previous Opening Times appeared from around Feb-March 1976 to June-July 1977 and that's where we are going today.

I have copies of the last few editions and, while they didn't include Staggers, it's clear the early ones did. All I have is a photocopy of page four from issue 7 which, tantalisingly, is Stagger No. 4 featuring Stockport. I wonder where else they covered back then?

This was written by Graham Cundall with photos by Graham Lister, about both of whom I know nothing. As you'll see this 12 pub marathon is in a slightly different format from later Staggers - here we go.....

In the South Manchester branch area there's no other place quite like Stockport. Even though its become surrounded by urban sprawl from Manchester, somehow it's kept its individuality and character as though it's a separate town. In particular this refers to the central part of Stockport which is a curious mixture of the old and new.

It's the old which houses a fine selection of brews in many excellent pubs: Robinsons (on their home ground), Boddingtons, Pollards, Bass, Higsons, Wilsons and Youngers are all represented on this crawl, a total of 14 brews (16 in winter).

Stockport is readily accessible from all points of the compass. Frequent train services run from Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport (every 15 mins) and also from Alderley Edge (every 30 mins), Crewe (hourly), Macclesfield (hourly) as well as the intermediate stations on these lines. Bus services are myriad. Most run at 20 min intervals.

Now we turn to the important matter - the pubs. No.1 is the Crown Inn (Boddingtons). A GBG listed pub and a proper little museum piece it is too. The vault is small and cosy and there's a fine mirror in the back lounge room. The beer is always phenomenally good. It's handpumped bitter (20½p) and mild (18½p). It's also the HQ for the Crown Divers Club for anyone interested in exploring the depths of fermentation vessels?


Turn left out of here towards Mersey Square past the spoilt Pineapple (Robinsons) - vault ripped out, now 'rustic beams and whitewash - to No.2 the George Hotel at the traffic lights on the corner. Another GBG listed pub and another absolute must. It feels like being on the Queen Mary sat in the lounge. The handpumped Higsons bitter (24p), mild (22p) and draught Bass are usually of the highest quality.

If you've had a pint of each brew so far you might be feeling a bit merry, so wipe the grin off your face as you toil up the hill over the river Mersey until you reach the first set of lights. Here on your left is No. 3 the Manchester Arms (Robinsons). It sells Best Bitter (25p) and Best Mild (23p) from handpumps. A rather basic house though the pies are notorious and there's a room that's frequented by juke-box fiends.

From here carry on plodding up the hill past the Unity (Robinsons) as far as Norbury Street. Turn left down here and straight ahead will be seen No. 4 the Grove (Wilsons), this is an average town pub, unspectacular but with well kept vault and quiet too. Handpumped bitter (24p) and mild are available. Retrace your steps back onto Wellington Road and carry on up the hill to the traffic lights. 

On the right will be seen Wilsons revamped Nelson's Ale House (No.5). Outside and in, it's been done up to look like a 1910  Edwardian pub even down to the Yates's style bare floorboards around the bar. Why didn't they go the whole hog and put sawdust and spittoons in? Despite the contrived atmosphere it serves very good bitter (25p) and mild (24p) from electric pillar taps.

Next go straight across and up Edward Street, at the first set of lights here on the right across Hillgate is No.6 the Black Lion (Boddingtons). It sells bitter (20½p) and mild (18½p) from handpumps. A basic house. Turn right out of here and on down Hillgate past the Red Bull (Robinsons) on the left. Hillgate once constituted a very famous crawl route. Many said it was impossible to finish before the demolition men moved in. So you can imagine how many pubs there were! Today it still has lots of character about it and provides three more pubs for our crawl.

Just past Comet warehouse is No.7 the Gladstone (Tetleys) selling bitter (24p) and mild (22p) from handpumps. It's a very quiet pub and it's a shame because the quality of the beer and the nature of the pub itself make it worthy of far more trade than it receives. 


Carry on down Hillgate to the brewery of Frederic Robinson and call in at No.8 the  Spread Eagle, i.e.the brewery tap. Best Bitter (25p) and Best Mild (23p) are dispensed from old wooden handled handpumps. From here keep following Hillgate along until you come to an archway spanning the street and there just on the left will be seen the very old bulging front window of Turner's Wine Vaults (No.9). Tetleys bitter (24p) and mild (22p) are sold from electric pumps. It's Stockport's  answer to Yates' this - so expect the characters. Note also the fine bank of taps on the bar once used to deliver the draught wines.

Anyway have yourselves a beer break now and have a test of your powers of navigation. Turn left out of Turners Vaults and down to the White Lion (don't go in) then turn right here and along the Great Underbank leading left until you meet a major arterial road - turn right along it before peeling off right down Corporation Street and following it round, becoming New Bridge Lane about 400 yards down on the left is No.10, the Midway. This is a recently modernised ex-Wilsons house, now a free house selling six brews, draught Bass (24p), Youngers XXPS (24p), and Wilsons bitter (24p) and mild (23p) are handpumped. Boddingtons and Pollards bitter (both 24p) are delivered by electric pumps. Thus a very fine range of beers can be had in a pub which would be more at home in Buckinghamshire than behind an iron foundry in Stockport! Go easy at this one for there's still two more to come.

Retrace your steps (is this still possible!) until you can cross the river by turning right over a footbridge; then down past a mill before turning left then quick right (Boddingtons Coach & Horses here for those tired of life) into Lancaster Street and down to the end where on the left corner is the Old King (No.11), Bass (26p), XXXX mild (22p) and Worthingtons BB (24p) are all served by free flow electric pumps. Beware of the Toby Light as it's keg. A spartan pub and only its beers merit a note. 

Out of here turn left and head back towards the town centre down Great Portwood Street. As this bends to the right to go round the Merseyway will be seen the terminis, No12, Buck & Dog (Boddingtons). A very basic house selling good bitter (21p) and mild (19p) from handpumps and Boddies Strong Ale in winter direct from the cask. This seems a good enought place to stop, near enough to bus and rail stations for the survivors to find their way home.

Stockport is a town rich in real beer and the route described above not necessarily the best, so there could be many other permutations and this is left to personal likes and dislikes.


What happened next

Phew! I like the reference to survivors finding their way home. With 12 pubs featured and three others mentioned in passing there's quite a bit to go on here.

The Crown has been opened up over the years but still retains much of its former layout - event the impressive mirror in the back room is still there. The Boddington Pub Co turned it into a multi-beer free house and it remains that today. It's won many awards over the intervening years but its star does seem to have dimmed a little in recent years. It's currently 'to let'. 

The Pineapple across the road did bed in eventually and under long-serving
licensee Eileen Lloyd the pub was a regular in the Good Beer Guide for several years. Inevitably Eileen retired and the pub drifted and it's been 'mothballed' by Robinsons. Apparently the intention is to reopen it when work on Stockport's new bus interchange has been finished. We'll see.

The George was indeed spectacular with lots of panelling and mirrored walls featuring George & the Dragon. A corner door gave entrance into a tiny and characterful vault. If it had been
intact today a Grade II listing would have been almost guaranteed. However... firstly Higsons knocked it about a bit and it had a brief spell as the keg-only Manhattan (and let me tell you, as good as cask Higsons beers undoubtedly were, their keg equivalents were equally horrible). Of course Higsons fell to Boddingtons and the real damage came courtesy of the Boddington Pub Co who completely ripped out anything of note. It was then bought as a free house by a man who had no money to spend on the pub and so it began to slowly fall apart around his ears. It also developed a rather 'lively' reputation. A couple of years or so ago it closed suddenly and the increasingly decrepit pub is now, rather optimistically, 'to let'.

The Manchester Arms was a wonderful pub and an early local CAMRA Pub of the Year. This was back in 1984 and a highlight of the presentation night was a 'rocket man' who ignited the large device strapped to his back in the middle of the main road outside the pub. This prompted a visit from the police who had received reports of an explosion in the area. Ian and Dot Brookes were legendary licensees and are still looked back on with great affection.  Ian and Dot moved on and eventually Robinsons turned the pub into Cobdens which shone briefly but is now yet another of their mothballed outlets.

The Unity closed in March 2012 and has now been converted into flats. The Grove was a very early closure in April 1984. It's now being used as offices (shown here). The Nelson has had several refurbishments and hasn't always sold cask beer but has been doing so recently with Theakson's Bitter and a guest beer.

The Black Lion had an excellent vault with a notable wood-paneled ceiling. The entrance also had glasswork and, astonishingly, a doormat, surviving
from its days as a Clarke's of Reddish pub (taken over and closed by Boddingtons in 1962). It closed in late 2005 and is now offices. The nearby Red Bull has been extended by Robinsons but although some disagree I still find it a pleasant and characterful pub. It's had too many licensees though and really needs someone to put down some roots and make their mark on the place.

The Gladstone back then was run by the formidable Jessie Holehouse, who was born there in the 1920s. I must say Jessie's looming presence never really added to the appeal of the pub and this was an rare occasion where the retirement of a long-serving licensee saw an uplift in the pub's fortunes. It eventually became a Burtonwood pub called the Bishop Blaize. Sadly the pub closed in April 2011 and is now offices.


I visited the Spread Eagle around this time and remember the old handpumps, plus a shabby pub with welcoming open fires. Sadly Robinsons decided to knock it around and made a right pig's ear of it. It should have been a showcase but really wasn't. The last people to run it were Noel and Val Jones who really did work hard to make it a proper local. However Robinsons decided they wanted to incorporate the pub into the brewery offices so Noel and Val moved to another pub and the Spread Eagle closed in September 2007. 

Turners Vaults is better known as the Queen's Head and was owned by the Turner family until they sold it to Sam Smiths in the early 1990s. Sam's spent a lot of money restoring the pub and its now recognised as having significant heritage features. You can read all about it here  You still get the characters.


Whitbread's White Lion had several themes over the years and closed around June 2009. The imposing building has recently been converted into flats. The Midway is still going strong. It is now owned by Ei Group and while selling a range of decently kept beers, majors on food.  It's very well run and seems to be doing very well.

The Coach & Horses (which will appear on next week's Stagger) was a decent enough pub. It closed in around July 1998 and was knocked down in January 2000.  The Old King was quite well regarded back in the day being a Good Beer Guide regular for a couple of years and was the first ever recipient of a (Stockport &) South Manchester Pub of the Month award back in April 1980. It was a very old pub that has been knocked around in the very early seventies - one feature was a huge period tiled fireplace that dominated the rear pool room. Oddly this disappeared soon after the Old King closed in February 2009. It's now been knocked down and the site redeveloped as a Nando's.

And finally, the Buck & Dog. The Boddington Pub Co (which crops up quite a bit in this story) planned to carry out a full restoration of this potentially very impressive Victorian edifice. You can see what it looked like here and also here. However Barclays Bank came along and made them an offer they couldn't refuse so the pub closed in August 1986. It was a right old dump in its final days. I called in with some friends - plaster was coming off the walls, one room was closed 'due to drug abuse' and we were shown a very soggy earwig on the bar counter which, we were told, had just come out of one of the handpumps. Truly the golden age of pub going....


 

24 comments:

Curmudgeon said...

Was this done as an actual pub crawl, or was it just a hypothetical one showing off the variety of beers Stockport had to offer?

John Clarke said...

That I don't know. Luckily I'm now in touch with the author so have asked him. It does sound as though most if not all of the pubs were visited though.

John Clarke said...

Graham tells me: "We certainly would have embarked on it or something similar. Whether we completed it in one go is lost in the mists of time. Certainly the pubs, beer choice/prices would have been rigourously researched".

David said...

Since they are mentioned several times, can we work out what the prices noted above come to in today's money ?

John Clarke said...

Hi David - the prices are quoted in decimal currency so are in today's money. Just rather less of it!

Curmudgeon said...

No, what he means is what they would be today adjusted for inflation. According to the Bank of England inflation calculator, 22p in 1976 would be worth £1.60 in 2019, so in real terms beer in pubs is almost twice as expensive now.

Langbard said...

The Nelson was the cause of me getting married

John Clarke said...

If people want to work out what the beer would have cost today I'll leave it to them. It's not something I'm getting involved with.

Langbard - I guess there's a story there.

Unknown said...

Knowing the amount that Graham Cundall and I used to drink it is more than likely that we did this crawl on one attempt. Which is probably why neither of us can remember it. Happy days.

Unknown said...

Happy days. The Gladstone still retained some 1930s features. The Higsons in the George was sublime in its day and the Buck and Dog was a magnificent throwback. You could smell the stake beer and days from Neild and Hardys!

Unknown said...

Stale beer and fags.

@WestBromEL said...

Back in 77, two years before I left school, I started working at my uncle's pub bottling up on a Saturday and Sunday morning, it was an Ansell's house and sold tank (brewery conditioned but not evil keg) beer, and in the bar it was circa 21p for the mild and 23p for the bitter, I used to cycle there and back so I never sampled any! 😇

Phil said...

That really is a snapshot from another world. All those Bodds' pubs! Never heard of Pollard's, either.

Also, perhaps the authors (if they drop back in) can settle something for me. What was Boddington's Bitter like?

(I must have drunk it myself a few times - I'm not that young, and I've been in M'cr since the early 80s - but memory comes up blank. Perhaps it's all the twelve-pub crawls...)

Grovel said...

Pollards were one of the first wave of 'craft'(?) breweries. I won't say microbrewery as an initial run of 25 barrels sounds anything but micro.

http://www.reddishvalecountrypark.com/pollards-brewery/4556430096

I certainly remember drinking it but where I have no idea. Would it have been in the CAMRA owned White Gates in Hyde?

https://whatpub.com/pubs/HIP/447/white-gates-hyde

John Clarke said...

Must say it's great to hear from the two Grahams who were responsible for the article - and quite something it looks as though the full crawl was actually done in one go!

The Gladstone dis have some impressive old features, especially in the vault I recall. Also agree about Higsons when on form - and yes, the Buck & Dog was definitely a throwback but it had its original layout and plenty of original features too, It could have been magnificent if Boddington Pub Co had restored it.

phillip bannister said...

just a quickn correction to a great read, the old king , there is nandos restaurant on there, where the kfc is that was the brinnington inn, great read look forward to more cheers

John Clarke said...

Hi Phillip - I knew it was one or the other! I'll correct the blog as the Old King also appears on next week's Stagger.

Iain said...

Hi, Great read. Suck a shame all those pubs are no longer trading. I lived at the Manchester Arms at that time (Dot's son, Iain). I remember the rocket man clearly, well through the smoke!

John Clarke said...

Hi Iain,

Pleased you liked this - I must say it's attracted a great deal of attention. The rocket man was the highlight of the night (although I also remember a spectacular cheese board as well)

Unknown said...

I first drank in Stockport in 1976. I was helping to run an excavation at Baguley Hall in south Manchester. The pub over the road from the Hall was a dreadful keg Greenalls place called the Lantern, so on our Saturdays off I used to head off with a couple of friends in search of something better.

The Crown made quite an impression. In those days the gents toilet was an enclosure in the back yard without a roof (though the viaduct made a good substitute). Indeed, the GBG of the time said something like "enjoy the spectacular view of the viaduct from the outside gents'". The view was, indeed, impessive, but craning the neck to see it was the cause of many a damp leg,, I'm sure.

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Curmudgeon said...

Re your comment about railwaymen, I remember the local branch of CAMRA getting into trouble over a comment (not sure whether it was in a pub guide or a write-up of a pub crawl) that said of the Comfortable Gill in Stockport "popular with bus drivers, hopefully after duty".

Unknown said...

Fascinating stuff I rather liked the price of beer in The Gladstone - 18 1/2 p. This had had a great vault with amazing characters. I was almost certainly on this pub stagger. I still meet up with both Grahams - Cundell and Lister.
Well done JC for your great blog. Cheers from Neil Kellett - First treasurer of the CAMRA South Manchester Branch, elected in the garden of the Printers Arms in Cheadle in January 1974.

John Clarke said...

Hi Neil

Great to hear from you. It sounded quite an interesting Stagger back then - and very boozy. Graham Cundall got in touch (as you will have seen from the comments) and he's sent me scanned copies of issues 1-9 of the original OT.

I plan to blog another of the very early Staggers from the 1970s at some time.